All right, this is short, for there isn't too much to say.
Basically, here are the facts.
Nynaeve heals Logain, and he appears just as strong as before. If not, she states, he must have been frightfully strong. Possibly as strong as Rand. So, let us discard that possibility for the time being. She heals Siuan and Leanne, but they are both reduced to utter weaklings, which they most definitely were not before being stilled. So, the man healed by the woman remains as strong as before, and the women healed by the woman are weakened considerably. At around the same time as Nynaeve discovers this healing, so does an Asha'man, (can't remember his name). Coincidence? Likely not. All that is needed for proof is for that Asha'man to heal a woman, and we shall see if she is as strong as before or not.
So, my guess is that when healed by someone of the opposite source (Saidin/Saidar) the stilled person retains all of his/her previous power, while if healed by one of the same side of the True Source, power is lost.
Unfortunately, I cannot delve into this any longer, for I must leave.
StoneDogAiel says: You may have something there. It certainly piques my curiousity as to what will happen when Damer Flinn (That is the Asha'Man you couldn't remember the name of) tries to heal a stilled woman. Probably the one who bonded him, but that's for another theory.
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Damer Flinn healed Irgain (he is bonded to Corele). From what Corele said it was a complete healing like what Nynaeve did to Logain. Given that I believe that it takes a man to heal a woman completely, and a woman to heal a man completely.
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Duh. I took that as a given from the moment we learned that Nynaeve wasn't able to Heal Siuan and Leane completely, yet she
was able to Heal Logain completely. Flinn's Healing of women only clinched that in my mind.
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even if going by opposite sexes doesn't heal it completely, if Nynaeve and Flinn combined their techniques (like Nyn would do hers then Flinn would do his)it would probably fix the problem completely.
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Nyneave used Fire and Spirit to Heal Logain and the others. I think that he was healed to full strength because Fire is one of the predominantly male powers. I predict that if he was healed with Earth it would work just as well.
Heal Siane and Leane with Water or Air and they should be full strength too.
The Spirit is universal and acts like:
1. Solder- The Fire/Air/Earth/Water is stuck into place by the Spirit. Sort of like fusing two wires together with solder.
2. A Catalyst- The spirit makes the Fire/Air/Earth/Water 'react' and bonds are fomred between the two ends of the gap
Possibly not the clearest explanation, but I see it as logical.
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And the theory is right. The above theory is okay, but I believe the Fire etc. was absolutely integral to the healing. Basically, his theory on how the One Power works could be complementary to my theory (hopefully being posted soon), but it is unnecessary, and I'm pretty sure my theory on the power is correct.
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Mebbe its something like when Rand healed the taint. He decided that a conduit of the male half would not be as effective in moving the power as a with the female half. If I remember correctly, he even thought that a condiut of the same source as was being cleansed would shatter. Perhaps you need the opposite side to channel it properly? Don't they work against eachother in a sense? I dunno...it just seems connected to me
sorry, where does damer heal a woman
i don't remember that happening
i know it did but will sum1 tell me the pages where it was so i can re-read that section?
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This is possible but I believe the more likely cause would be the elements involved. As I recall Nynaeve healed logain with fire and earth mainly, these are the main elements of the male channeler. She applied the SAME technique to Siuan and Leane. Had she used air and water on the women, their dominant areas, I believe they would have the same strength as before.
But if it took Air and Water, than stilling would have been fixed long ago. All the healing weaves use predominately Air and Water, and the thing that was so unusual about the weave is that it requires Earth and Fire. The actual 'shape', I guess you could say, was not so important as the fact that she fit Earth and Fire in there.
while fire is predominantly male, there is nothing special about men and fire... not all men are stong in fire, and some women are stong in fire (and/ or earth). Fire is also involved in Nyneave's new Healing that does not requier the strength of the injured, as opposed to traditional techniques which only use wind, water and spirit.
There are three competing theories as to why Siuan and Leane did not regain full strength while Logain and the two AS who Damer Flynn healed regained there full strength. The available evidence neither excludes nor supports any one of the theories.
The most widely believed, and perhaps the simplest, theory is that it takes a channeler of the opposite sex to heal severing fully.
The second theory is that the weaves themselves must be different. Nynaeve stubled upon a weave that heals Saidin and Flynn the same with Saidar. One might argue that there is only a 25% chance of both of them stubling upon the weave for the opposite power. On the other hand, if Nynaeve and Damer accidentally discovered something different we would find a different pattern that works.
The third theory is which weaves and who weaves them is not as important as how the victim was severed. This theory supposes that there are different levels of severing. Saidar holders are severed more completely by Saidar holders. The same is true for Saidin holders. The women that Damer healed were severed by Rand. Because he can't fully sense the women (because he doesn't hold Saidar) he is unable to Sever them as well as what an AS could.
The available evidence doesn't even hint at which one of these theories is correct.
WE NEED MORE EVIDENCE before deciding
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OK, just a quick thing to point out. We know Nynaeve used Fire and Earth to heal Logain, Siuane, and Leanne. What flows did Flinn use?
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I don't think that the way a person was stilled has anything to do with it. Picture it as a wire in their head (so its a cheesy analogy) and you sever it. When you sever a wire, it is severed, no matter how you look at it.
If I'm not very much mistaken, severing is done by spirit, which should be independent from Saidar or Saidin as to its shaping. Also, male and female channelers are supposed to be unable to do certain things in one way, like putting out a fire. For those of worse memory, men can pull the heat out of fire and sorta disperse it into something that can handle it, like the earth, whileas women have to use water or air to put it out; were they to use the male way, they'd set aflame. So my theory is that Nynaeve can't seal the gap with Air/Water, because that's not the way women can make the weave. And another thing, could it be possible that the power is restored to its original by a channeler of the proper gender? According to any theories, this should be entirely possible, either by completion of the bond or by recreating it altogether.
I realise I'm pulling this theory up from the bottom, but I'm new to wotmania, and am reading through any of the theories that 'tickle my fancy'.
Anyway, my thought was, what would happen if Siuan and Leane were to be stilled again and then fully Healed by Flinn? Would they return to their original strength or the strength that they had after being Healed by Nynaeve?
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I had an interesting thought, what if the strength when they were Healed was based on the strentgh of the power chanaled by the healer. Take the wire example. If someone used a thicker (or thinner) wire could they control the strength of the channeler? Just some food for thought
I've officially killed this theory in my head. I've posted a new, more interesting, and more plausible one...
I am very interested in what happens when a woman is healed by an Ashaman. However, could the difference in strength be due to the fact the Nyn used the same weave for Saidar and Saidan? They are different from one another. My theory is that if the original weave is altered to accomodate Saidar, female channelers would come back to full strength.
I too have posted a theory on Healing the Stilled, hopefully to be released soon. But even after that I wonder if Healing those that are Stilled could just be one of those things men were better at then women. I believe "Marigan" mentions auch areas, but I'm not sure.
one more slight diference between logain and siuan, is the time diference between they were stilled, perhaps siuan hasnt reached her full potential again or something bizzare ;-p
maybe its something to do with how soon she was healed from stilled,, just a thought..
The Asha'man who discovered Healing is Damer Flinn (it's a shame you forget his name).
(WH Chap 13:Wonderful news) Corele: "And, well, the fact of it is, he (Damer Flinn) 's gone and Healed Irgain. Cadsuane, it's as she's never been...". Corele is a Yellow, she'd say if Irgain haven't regain her full strenght.
Second mistake i've read from StoneDogAiel: Corele is the one who bonded Damer Flinn, not Irgain nor Sashail or Ronaille (they all are stilled Aes Sedai Healed by Damer Flinn)
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Well what is Leane and Siuan are stilled again and then healed by a male channeler? If we compare the stilling with cuting a wire it make sense. This is a wild guess of course but it has some sence in it. Let's see with what will Jordan come up. I think that both of the women will regain their streinght at some point and why not in this way. It will be quite dramatical. Imagine the fear to be cut from the One power again if only for a short time...
What do you think?
Logain hadn't been channeling for long and was already powerful. Siuan and Leane had had to channel for years to reach their strength. They were cut off from the power, so they revert to their original strength, so an aes sedai who's power hadn't grown much wouldn't notice, perhaps Damer healed someone who had weak channeling initially, or had little time before they reached their peak, and male channelers seem to lack the "waiting period" for thei power to reach it's peak.
Years later, I now believe that it has to do with the "slipperiness" of the weaves. Remember when Elaine was unweaving that gateway? Mighty slippery--but it was made of Saidar. I believe that Saidin is easier to grasp with Saidar--except that you're working blind.
In the original passage where Nynaeve heals Logain, she's just sort of groping around where she feels a hole and then, all of a sudden, she realises she has a grip on it and closes it. Kind of like stitching a wound--still cuts you, separates two bits of you. In order for that wound to heal (let's forget about festering for now), you have to pull it close together again--the best way to do that is with stitches. After a few years, the wound's tensile strength will be back to normal.
So why are Siuan and Leane weaker? Nynaeve was working Saidar-on-Saidar--and that's slippery. She grabbed as much as she could in one go and stitched it up, but because it was so hard to grab in the first place, she couldn't get it all. In theory, if Siuan and Leane are stilled again, an Asha'man should be able to Heal them with ease--or Nynaeve could herself, just with a lot more difficulty.
The Male/Female thing is just too simple for my taste. I posted a very long theory outlining this new view years ago (complete with textual evidence and so on), but it never got posted for some reason. Maybe I never actually hit "submit".
Jordan stated saidar to heal saidan and vice-versa.
However, I wonder if Siuan and Leane were re-stilled and healed by an A'shaman would they regain their old strength, or just come back at their present strength? Or, if they were to get healing by an A'shaman now would they revert to their Old Strength again?
I'd like to see Siuan back at Old Strength and then beat the crap outta Romanda, Lelaine and everyone else who gave her such a bad way to go!
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