Sammael is dead, RJ said so, or did he...

Posted by Lord Turin on 14.12.01 02:12

Ok, so RJ said Sammeal was dead...many times! But he has also stated in the Eye of the World that Aginor was dead, but, then Osan'gar turned up, which is Aginor. So, in theory Sammael is dead, but (for example) Taran'gar is alive!

I want my theory to be wrong, as RJ has done this too many times already.

ps. If RJ reads this, YOU ROCK!!!!(everyone knows hes part of wotmania(stern looks towards Raserei...))

Raserei says: Okay, so call me egotistical for posting a theory that has my name it, sue me.

You want to be wrong though?

Okay, yes, Aginor died, but to further plot and whatnot, RJ needed him back. He needed something to make the Forsaken look more evil and stronger than they appeared in EoTW. Rand killing Aginor, and Balthamel being killed in conjunction with Moiraine and the Nym made the Forsaken not as rough and tough as they should have been. It made the Forsaken look weak. RJ needed the 'Gars to make them more menacing.

And who would be Taran'gar?

This is complete dribble if you ask me.



But my name was in it. Had to post. I like seeing my name in print. Thats why I go to chat. Everytime I say something, there's my name.

Vercingetorix says: Raserei is egotistical. Plus he doesn't know how to check theories for grammar mistakes. (nows?? shouldn't that be knows, Ras? )

But I agree with Ras in that this is complete dribble.


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dead by BALEFIRE

Posted by fairy on 14.12.01 06:01
Rand killed Sammael using BALEFIRE, and so
REMOVING HIM COMPETELY FROM THE PATTERN.

But in tEotW when Aginor and Balthamel were killed balefire was NOT used, so they were just killed and NOT removed from the pattern. And since the grave belongs to the
dark one, he was able to bring them back to life, although in different bodies.

So the dark one can bring back ALL the dead forsaken NOT killed by balefire, only those entirely REMOVED from the pattern are beyond his reach.


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is the headlamp of an oncoming train.

How

Posted by Three In A Boat on 14.12.01 06:42
can you be so sure that Rand balefired him? Perhaps mashadar got him. I'd still think that means he can't be brought back to life of course as I would think the soul would be trapped with the rest of the deadly mist rather than returning to the DO.

RJ said it....

Posted by SirKrane on 14.12.01 11:27
RJ said Mashadar killed him.

Krane

RJ said...

Posted by Raserei on 14.12.01 12:05
"Sammael was toast." Direct quote.

he said nothing about balefire or mashadar, only that Sammael was out of the picture for a while.





u said it

Posted by Lord Turin on 14.12.01 12:43
YEAH! you said it raserai, he said FOR NOW...


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I'm not doubting the authenticity of anyone's statements....

Posted by Logain 4 his own series! on 14.12.01 16:44
but could you give me a reference to these famed, quoted, Jordan says? I'd like to read them myselves, if they exist. Anything said in chat or in person would be totally unreliable, able to be interpreted or twisted by the reciever...or is it receiver...I can't tell, they both look wrong...I think it's receiver...anyway, somebody get me the reference to this, if'n ya doesn't mind.

"Until Nynaeve quits yankin' that braid,
May you find water and shade."

Vote Logain for M'Hael.

NOBODY KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM!

Posted by wotfreak85 on 14.12.01 17:50
Rand isn't sure if Mashadar got him, or if he got him with balefire.
Only RJ knows.

And who the crap is Taran'gar?!

Please do alot of research before you post a theory like this.



Wotfreak

Taran'gar

Posted by MoelBrain on 14.12.01 22:32
Taran'gar was the middle knife in the duel. The term was invented by a three-aremed freak who wanted "to play with everyone else". Theres your research.


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Ras!!

Posted by Aviendha on 14.12.01 22:39
You egotistical jerk!

So if I write some BS theory and put you name on it, will you post that too?


Or do you get enough of me on the MB?





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Can't give you the place, exactly

Posted by Ruriha Sedai on 15.12.01 01:04
But check the interviews in the Articles section, it's in one of them. RJ said, pretty much (I might have a few words wrong) "Sammael is dead. He isn't coming back. He might be reborn, in another life, knowing nothing of Sammael."
In other words, he will nto be reborn. He is dead. Gone. Kaput. Not coming back.
And Ras, you could at least spellcheck this! Sammael, not samael! The quality is really slipping here, shame on you


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I'd say

Posted by mierin sedai on 15.12.01 07:32
toast implies burning and I have yet to see Mashadar burn anything.
Sammael is gone for good.


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RJ said Sammael was toast...

Posted by ingwall on 15.12.01 11:38
So get ready to see a man-sized, evil, mutant slice of slightly charred bread to wreck some major havoc in Book 10! And then it gets eaten by Bela! I think there's a theory in here somewhere...

Good Lord Raserei

Posted by Vercingetorix on 16.12.01 19:11
First, yes you are egotistical. I am thinking about deleting this theory jsut to teach you a lesson

Second, RJ said that Sammael was dead and that Mashadar got him

Thid, Osangar and Arangar are the daggers

So there.

Meanders off to the theory post to possibly delete a stupid incoherent theory that should never have been posted...


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Taran'gar...

Posted by -=OSAN-GAR=- on 16.12.01 21:08
Osan'Gar + Aran'Gar = Both your knives, for both your hands...

Perhaps Taran'gar = a knife used clenched between teeth? somewhere else?


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Posted by Logain 4 his own series! on 16.12.01 23:50
Thank you for the reference. I believe that maybe on the theory post (pay attention admins) you ought to put a link to these interviews under the useful tools so we avoid this. I certainly did not know about them and could have and probably have been repeating something contrary to what RJ has said.

This is the source, guys! Put a link there! I doubted everything anybody had said that Jordan had said, but I read the articles and believe...still there could be errors there, you are under no legal obligation but I sincerely doubt you would misquote on purpose.

Therefore, lets at least advertise a little that RJ has said some things and *insert link here* is where you go to find it. Perfect place: with the other useful tools.

But y'all still do a great job. Just thought this might make some of our redundant, anti-jordan info theories disappear.

"Until Nynaeve quits yankin' that braid,
May you find water and shade."

Vote Logain for M'Hael

*sighs*

Posted by Vanin on 17.12.01 08:17
The new theories are more and more depressing. Or are the authors?

CNN Interview

Posted by sirkrane on 18.12.01 15:07
In the CNN Interview, you can read it in the articles section of wotmania.

Robert Jordan: Mashadar killed Sammael. Sammael is toast!

Guess that sums it up pretty well.

Krane

yeah but

Posted by krillin on 19.12.01 11:09
aginor wasn't balefired


why?

why?is my question to you

Really? I thought he was...

Posted by Logrim Ablaim on 19.12.01 23:55
actually, I'm kidding. Just curious, what made you decide to tell us that Aginor wasn't balefired...I didn't see where anyone said that he had. Thanx, though, for clearing that up!

P.S. Sorry if I came across as a smart (_|_), I'm tired and grumpy.



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-Logrim Ablaim-

To Logain 4

Posted by standby on 03.01.02 12:45
I have about 30 Jordan interviews, signing reports and online chats saved on my computer. You can have them all if you'd to read them, or you can check the summary of them I posted yesterday on the MB.

RJ is tricking us

Posted by wotfan432 on 03.08.07 14:22
When Jordan is saying "Sammael is Toast" i assume He is not returing as Sammael, but is it possible that Sammael's body is destoryed but his soul was consumed by Mashiara and he will come to try to kill rand as a more evil and stronger foe. I kno it is not proven but i hate to see such a powerful "baddie" killed off the way he was.