The Scales have already been weighed

It gives a very plausible explanation as to how Mat could have already fulfilled the Balance Scale dream. I like your reasoning that Mat going to check on Tesyln led to Tuon being kidknapped. This is difintely a major storyline and it could be the "fate of world" has already been decided .

If Teslyn and Joline are the two Aes Sedai on the "Balance Scales" ? I've no reason to doubt that yet. Only further reading will prove if that's the case. But if they're, then this theory is very likely to be close to what is true. Very nice theory. I hope it ends being the case.

Simon.


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so difficult to say. Nothing clearly indicates that Joline and Teslyn are the two Aes Sedai, but there's a good chance they are. I don't think we'll find out whether they are or not before the end of the series. Then we can look back and say they're they only possibility, or that there are other choices he made that could be it too.

Your theory does not take the vision of 'Mat placing his left eye on a balance scale.'
It seems to me that this event is highly related to the 2 Aes Sedai that Mat will have to weigh.
If you bring this into your theory, I might consider it more seriously.
I think it would be a major let down if Mat has already balanced his 2 Aes Sedai (unless RJ really builds it up in the next book).
There are just too many Aes Sedai that Mat could have 'weighed.' Using your lines of logic, Mat had to weigh Elayne and Nynaeve in CoS. He had to weigh which one he was going to protect. This led to a sequence of him saving the world, cause Elayne's life was spared. This kind of thing has happened too many times in WoT. Just picking Teslyn/Joline doesn't really fit unless you can bring some more evidence.
I think RJ will give us lots of clues when it actually DOES happen.
Plus if you consider it, there are going to be many more Aes Sedai to pick from when the Black and White Towers are united.
My personal pet theory is that Mat will have to choose between Rand/Tuon.

I appreciated your theory, and like new ideas, so thanks for that( I don't mean to be a totally hardass here)



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I like the basis of this theory but the two Aes Sedai Mat will have to choose between are Egwene and Elayne. From what I have read so far both are going to be in REAL trouble soon. Mat will have to choose between Egwene and Elayne. He will realize he can't help both. My opinion is that the correct choice is Egwene (He will need the Horn of Valere later.).


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ANd need not always be taken literally, isn't it possible that the balance scale is referring to more than one instance? That is will be a theme in his life? The eye on the scale could refer to one of those instances.

I don't understand where you guys get the idea that Joline and Teslyn is the right AS to fulfill the vision. For me "balance scale" means you have to chose one of them. You have to consider all options before making a choice. But you have to pick one of them. As we know he took both of the AS. So it wouldn't be a "balance scale". It's more "wrap it and pack it" deal. :-)

Also we have to consider the other vision, which is tight to the "balance scale". It's "losing an eye" thing. These two AS are not nearly close to the "eye" stuff.

I think that "balance scale" and "an eye" thing refer to something unbelievble big in the WOT. I won't be suprise if Mat will have to chose between White Tower and rebelions. I can imagine that RJ will create some kind of plot, which can lead to massacre of Elaida's girls. And knowing Mat (he always was protective to women, any women) he might consider to go against that plot (here Teslyn could take part, for example), which means he might go against Egweyne (perfect theme for "balance scale" ). That also could lead to (or be part of) the "eye" thing.

I'm saying that my idea is true. I'm just saying that these visions about Mat should be part of something big, something unexpected, some huge twist in the series. And definetly not a minor thing like picking two stupid AS.

I'm afraid I must disagree with Egwene being one of the Aes Sedai on the scales. The vision of Mat balancing the scales with the two huge Aes Sedai was Egwene's. Therefore, it would make sense if she was in her own vision, and make no sense if she was not in it while it directly affected her.



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This theory, for not having much to back it, has a surprising percentage of yes votes.
I am especially surprised since the last theory about Teslyn and Joline being the fufillment of the scales was only given a 60% nod.
Surprising.


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I've already posted it on the Teslyn/Joline theory. BUt my opinion is that the Aes Sedai he will be weighing is Teslyn/Joline, and Elayne/Egwene and the rebels. He never breaks his promises, and he gave a promise to or about both parties. My opinion is that he'll have to choose between them. And I think he'll choose T & J because he still has a promise to keep for them, and his promise to get Elayne to Caemlyn is already fulfilled.

Any comments?

Oh, and if that isn't (or even if it is) true, there's always the possibility that he has to weigh groups of Aes Sedai, not just two single women. And I think Egwene would have known if one of the people he weighed was a male channeler.


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That's why she knows the price...of living with the safety on

i'm not up to date on all of the dream/prophecies ... but i'm aware of everything, i believe. if J & T Aes Sedai are the ones on the balance scale, then (this is my question/point) where does Mat's left eye fit into things? if his choice led him to discover/kidnap Tuon, to find his wife of sorts ... is this his losing an eye?

is there any allusion or common reference in WoT about "eyeing women" or something like it? Mat is the biggest player in WoT, after all ... maybe he won't be anymore ... only has eyes for Tuon, or an eye.

or maybe thats a symbolic dream thing for an eye? i have no idea.

i think we'll learn what the eye thing is once we see what 'half the light of the world' is ... either something phenomenal or simply Mat's eye. i'm still undecided. if its not Mat's eye, then his eye on the scale has got to be related to other stuff with the scales.

The reasoning here is impeccable. But is the theory mistitled?

I don't see any need to invoke the concept of the weighing of one thing against another and making a choice to characterize mats actions viv a vis the catured and trapped Aes Sedai. Incorrigable (sp?) Mat is incorrigably fair and kind. When his hide alone is at stake, he always seems to do what he must (morally) however much he might grumble. However much Mat needs to think of himself as the devil-may-care trickster; he is actually the most straight-arrow moralist I can think of in the book. Is there a choice he has actually made (as opposed to his desperate internal attempts to evade the choice) that has been morally ambiguous?

In the end, Mat will always try to do the right thing, yet he has a healthy knowledge of, and respect for, human frailty. What better person to hold the scales of justice?

As I write this, it occurs to me what an interesting foil Mat might be for Galad, Rand's half brother, who will always try to do the "right" thing, even if the "right" thing causes pain or is ultimately unjust. One could carry the comparison further, for it would seem fair to say that Mat and Perrin are like brothers to Rand. I don't that the Galad comparison really means much though. The Bran al'Vere observation is also acute, as mayor he is another who must way information and actions on the scales of truth and Justice, his daughter is "mayor" of the Aes Sedai. And to free associate further, there is Hawkwings' sword, Justice.

Anyway, kudos for observation and insight.

The Dream of Egwene's refers to him choosing between to Aes Sedai (at the time, she was not Aes Sedai, nor was Elyane), not them on a balance. Mat had to chose which one had written the note. Remember that Egwene, Rnad, Perrina and all the Two Rivers folk, especially Nynaeve acknowledge that Mat pays back his debts and keeps his word. He owed one of the two a debt. If he owed Joline, he could have left a lot sooner. But since he owed Teslyn, he had to stay longer and plan it more, bringing Bayle and Egannin (sp?) along.
Also, to the original theory poster, Mat had already met Tuon by that point and she had already shown interest in him. Keeping Mat at the Palace just added all the Seanchan that knew that sul'dam could channel to his escape party.
Woody

I take back the part about Egwene not being Aes Sedai when she dreamed of the Balance of Two Aes Sedai. However, the choice that others seem to be suggesting, between Egwene and Elyane makes no sense. The three parties are so far apart and now clearly separated from each other that the choice would only happen with Mat's plotline. Woody

Mat is going to gamble with the lives of two Aes Sedai, his own eye, and probably some other stuff... all in order to protect Rand, I'll wager.

1) He will "lose half the light of the world to save the world."
2) He is based on Odin, who loses an eye.
3) He puts his eye on a balance scale in a prophetic dream.
4) He will be "weighing two Aes Sedai against a vast matter."
5) Mat is a gambler.

The problem with the Teslyn and Joline theory is that Mat is currently rescuing not two but THREE Aes Sedai. I can't remember the third one's name, but she is the love interest of Juilin Sander... I think her damane name is Thera, and she was formerly the Panarch of Tanchico. If Mat will only be weighing two Aes Sedai, I wonder what happens to the third?

Also, I don't think the two Aes Sedai will be major characters. Egwene and Elayne are too smart to get caught by Seanchan again.

Egwene's dream says there are two HUGE Aes Sedai. Teslyn and Joline are not important enough. I'm gonna have to say that one of the Aes Sedai will be Moiraine, and Matt's eye on the scale will have something to do with his dealings with the AElfinn and EElfinn.


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One of Mat's biggest gripes is he is always pulling the famales' "bacon off the fire". I think perhaps he's going to have to choose whether or not to be a part of saving Egwene from the chopping block she's dreamed about. He would as soon give up an eye as give up his foxhead medallion. What if saving her meant having to give it up?


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To Abby above, Mat is only rescuing two AS. Thera is a servant, not damane.

But I agree that Joline and Tesyln are fufilment of the dream because he did not really have to choose between them - he had to choose whether to take both or just one.

also Edesina, some random rebel sister who got collared.

Really late getting here, but you stated my thoughts exactly.

Joline and Teslyn were the ones being weighed, and the fate of the world rested on his decision. Most especially by having to kidnap Tuon, then freeing the Windfinders, having Egeanin, 3 Suldams who know the truth about ability of learning how to channel, forcing Karede to search for Tuon, etc will be strong issues causing the Seanchan to follow the DR.

It all adds up to determining the fate of the world.


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